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		<title>By: Open Source Think Tank 2008: The Future of Commercial Open Source &#124; PettiNix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Open Source Think Tank 2008: The Future of Commercial Open Source &#124; PettiNix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] dell&#8217;evento e magari aggiungervi ai tre italiani di cui ho letto la sicura partecipazione: Roberto Galoppini CEO di ACME Solutions, Gianugo Rabellino, CEO di SourceSense e Italo Vignoli, responsabile [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] dell&#8217;evento e magari aggiungervi ai tre italiani di cui ho letto la sicura partecipazione: Roberto Galoppini CEO di ACME Solutions, Gianugo Rabellino, CEO di SourceSense e Italo Vignoli, responsabile [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto Galoppini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roberto Galoppini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/11/01/open-source-conference-open-source-enterprise-my-speech-at-quifree/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Retain customers is not trivial&lt;/a&gt;, as soon as they get technologically autonomous, but as you stated there is a trade-off.

Besides economical considerations, I believe that another factor is the need for customization. When a customer need its own flavor of a commercial Linux distribution, whatever is the reason, it is time to consider to go on its foot. Flexibility matters. Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/11/01/open-source-conference-open-source-enterprise-my-speech-at-quifree/" rel="nofollow">Retain customers is not trivial</a>, as soon as they get technologically autonomous, but as you stated there is a trade-off.</p>
<p>Besides economical considerations, I believe that another factor is the need for customization. When a customer need its own flavor of a commercial Linux distribution, whatever is the reason, it is time to consider to go on its foot. Flexibility matters. Right?</p>
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		<title>By: andrew aitken</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew aitken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well lets address the Redhat comment. Redhat certainly does a good job and as long as the overall adoption of Linux continues positively worldwide, they are safe. But, we're hearing from some very large customers that as their dependency upon Redhat grows, and consequently their cost, they are beginning to figure out exactly where their break even is between adding more REL subscriptions and hiring a sys admin, or training up one of their own. Additionally, as more lower and free versions of Linux gain in functionality, usability and supportability, we're hearing that enterprises are concentrating new REL subscriptions around high-volume and mission critical work loads while using the other Linux's for other functions. Virtualization is a huge trend, and we're seeing tremendous interest, but it's still a bit early for many large scale deployments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well lets address the Redhat comment. Redhat certainly does a good job and as long as the overall adoption of Linux continues positively worldwide, they are safe. But, we&#8217;re hearing from some very large customers that as their dependency upon Redhat grows, and consequently their cost, they are beginning to figure out exactly where their break even is between adding more REL subscriptions and hiring a sys admin, or training up one of their own. Additionally, as more lower and free versions of Linux gain in functionality, usability and supportability, we&#8217;re hearing that enterprises are concentrating new REL subscriptions around high-volume and mission critical work loads while using the other Linux&#8217;s for other functions. Virtualization is a huge trend, and we&#8217;re seeing tremendous interest, but it&#8217;s still a bit early for many large scale deployments.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto Galoppini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roberto Galoppini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andrew, happy to see you joining the conversation.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I think CIOs would disagree with the statement that support is of much less value than a product. Without some form of support most CIOs will not be willing to deploy a piece of software. And CIOs are willing to pay for quite a bit of piece of mind which is what support buys. We heard that loud and clear from CIOs interviewed at last year’s Think Tank.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I suspected it and I was just waiting for customers feedback like the ones you reported. What about the size of those enterprises? 

&lt;blockquote&gt;But, just because CIOs are willing to pay for support, doesn’t mean they are willing to pay for it only from the developer of the open source solution itself.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2006/12/04/business-model-appropriating-returns-from-commons/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Appropriating returns from the commons&lt;/a&gt; is not an easy task, but it is also true that well established open source firms like&lt;a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/feedarticle?id=7198606" rel="nofollow"&gt;Red Red Hat don't seem too worried by copy cat versions&lt;/a&gt;. Yet another complex and interesting issue here, am I right?


&lt;blockquote&gt;[..] a business with a high services revenue component traditionally doesn’t scale to meet the required returns for most investors, and in order to be successful today, growing a large and competent channel is critical. How much of the services is a vendor going to keep and how much are they going to give to their channel to motivate them?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, I definitely agree with you Andrew, the channel is critical and few open source firms found their way, here &lt;a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/01/08/open-source-franchising-more/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Open Source Franchising&lt;/a&gt; I am sure can play an important role. Do you agree?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew, happy to see you joining the conversation.</p>
<blockquote><p>I think CIOs would disagree with the statement that support is of much less value than a product. Without some form of support most CIOs will not be willing to deploy a piece of software. And CIOs are willing to pay for quite a bit of piece of mind which is what support buys. We heard that loud and clear from CIOs interviewed at last year’s Think Tank.</p></blockquote>
<p>I suspected it and I was just waiting for customers feedback like the ones you reported. What about the size of those enterprises? </p>
<blockquote><p>But, just because CIOs are willing to pay for support, doesn’t mean they are willing to pay for it only from the developer of the open source solution itself.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2006/12/04/business-model-appropriating-returns-from-commons/" rel="nofollow">Appropriating returns from the commons</a> is not an easy task, but it is also true that well established open source firms like<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/feedarticle?id=7198606" rel="nofollow">Red Red Hat don&#8217;t seem too worried by copy cat versions</a>. Yet another complex and interesting issue here, am I right?</p>
<blockquote><p>[..] a business with a high services revenue component traditionally doesn’t scale to meet the required returns for most investors, and in order to be successful today, growing a large and competent channel is critical. How much of the services is a vendor going to keep and how much are they going to give to their channel to motivate them?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, I definitely agree with you Andrew, the channel is critical and few open source firms found their way, here <a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/01/08/open-source-franchising-more/" rel="nofollow">Open Source Franchising</a> I am sure can play an important role. Do you agree?</p>
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		<title>By: andrew aitken</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew aitken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, there's certainly a lot of content in this posting, but I want to just address one portion, that of Savio's comments you highlite. I think CIOs would disagree with the statement that support is of much less value than a product. Without some form of support most CIOs will not be willing to deploy a piece of software. And CIOs are willing to pay for quite a bit of piece of mind which is what support buys. We heard that loud and clear from CIOs interviewed at last year's Think Tank. It will be interesting to see if they  feel the same way this year. But, just because CIOs are willing to pay for support, doesn't mean they are willing to pay for it only from the developer of the open source solution itself. One of the benefits of open source is choice. They may be willing to go elsewhere if they feel they can get as high a level of support. This brings up a couple of other points, a business with a high services revenue component traditionally doesn't scale to meet the required returns for most investors, and in order to be successful today, growing a large and competent channel is critical. How much of the services is a vendor going to keep and how much are they going to give to their channel to motivate them? So,again, I disagree with Savio's point, but it is a very complex issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there&#8217;s certainly a lot of content in this posting, but I want to just address one portion, that of Savio&#8217;s comments you highlite. I think CIOs would disagree with the statement that support is of much less value than a product. Without some form of support most CIOs will not be willing to deploy a piece of software. And CIOs are willing to pay for quite a bit of piece of mind which is what support buys. We heard that loud and clear from CIOs interviewed at last year&#8217;s Think Tank. It will be interesting to see if they  feel the same way this year. But, just because CIOs are willing to pay for support, doesn&#8217;t mean they are willing to pay for it only from the developer of the open source solution itself. One of the benefits of open source is choice. They may be willing to go elsewhere if they feel they can get as high a level of support. This brings up a couple of other points, a business with a high services revenue component traditionally doesn&#8217;t scale to meet the required returns for most investors, and in order to be successful today, growing a large and competent channel is critical. How much of the services is a vendor going to keep and how much are they going to give to their channel to motivate them? So,again, I disagree with Savio&#8217;s point, but it is a very complex issue.</p>
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