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		<title>By: Roberto Galoppini</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/07/15/lets-discover-more-about-open-source-eu-funded-initiatives/comment-page-1/#comment-660697</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberto Galoppini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Stefane great to hear back from you, and I agree that both mancoosi and its predecessor EDOS are both great projects to look at.

@Roberto My main purpose is to help the dissemination process of both promising and interesting EU funded open source projects.

Take &lt;a href="http://www.qualoss.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;QualOSS&lt;/a&gt;, the first I &lt;a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/07/17/open-source-ec-funded-projects-qualoss/" rel="nofollow"&gt;covered&lt;del datetime="2009-07-20T11:17:52+00:00"&gt;R&lt;/del&gt; over this scrutiny phase&lt;/a&gt;: the project's page had no page-rank until the day I blogged about it. Now it has been calculated and people googling around will get a chance to find it.

Commercial exploitation of open source research results is definitely a better target for my blog than anything else, maybe someone else might look into the closed-source stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Stefane great to hear back from you, and I agree that both mancoosi and its predecessor EDOS are both great projects to look at.</p>
<p>@Roberto My main purpose is to help the dissemination process of both promising and interesting EU funded open source projects.</p>
<p>Take <a href="http://www.qualoss.org/" rel="nofollow">QualOSS</a>, the first I <a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/07/17/open-source-ec-funded-projects-qualoss/" rel="nofollow">covered<del datetime="2009-07-20T11:17:52+00:00">R</del> over this scrutiny phase</a>: the project&#8217;s page had no page-rank until the day I blogged about it. Now it has been calculated and people googling around will get a chance to find it.</p>
<p>Commercial exploitation of open source research results is definitely a better target for my blog than anything else, maybe someone else might look into the closed-source stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto Di Cosmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roberto Di Cosmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Roberto,
   being the coordinator of Mancoosi, one of the EU funded Open Source related projects, I have no problem in disclosing the precise scope of the project; actually, the description of work for Mancoosi has been online for almost a year now at http://www.mancoosi.org/deliverables/d1.1.pdf and the wonderful people I have the honor to coordinate in this project have been doing some impressive work, that everybody is very welcome to look at (see also http://blog.mancoosi.org).

But let me offer another suggestion: spending time scrutinizing the Open Source related EU projects to see if they have been conducted efficiently is surely interesting;
but it would be much more interesting to scrutinize EU-funded projects that produce *non-open source technolgy*: indeed, while badly managed open-source related projects may still give back EU citizens something for their money (the code), we can be sure that badly managed EU-funded projects producing closed source artefacts are just money thrown out of the window.

And while funding open-source related projects on public money can be justified simply on the basis of increasing the scientific commons, funding closed-source projects on public money can be justified only if some significant, tangible positive impact on the society can be achieved as a result; said in another way, the standards for scrutinizing publicly funded closed-source projects should be much higher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Roberto,<br />
   being the coordinator of Mancoosi, one of the EU funded Open Source related projects, I have no problem in disclosing the precise scope of the project; actually, the description of work for Mancoosi has been online for almost a year now at <a href="http://www.mancoosi.org/deliverables/d1.1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.mancoosi.org/deliverables/d1.1.pdf</a> and the wonderful people I have the honor to coordinate in this project have been doing some impressive work, that everybody is very welcome to look at (see also <a href="http://blog.mancoosi.org" rel="nofollow">http://blog.mancoosi.org</a>).</p>
<p>But let me offer another suggestion: spending time scrutinizing the Open Source related EU projects to see if they have been conducted efficiently is surely interesting;<br />
but it would be much more interesting to scrutinize EU-funded projects that produce *non-open source technolgy*: indeed, while badly managed open-source related projects may still give back EU citizens something for their money (the code), we can be sure that badly managed EU-funded projects producing closed source artefacts are just money thrown out of the window.</p>
<p>And while funding open-source related projects on public money can be justified simply on the basis of increasing the scientific commons, funding closed-source projects on public money can be justified only if some significant, tangible positive impact on the society can be achieved as a result; said in another way, the standards for scrutinizing publicly funded closed-source projects should be much higher.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefane Fermigier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefane Fermigier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Roberto,

you should ask Roberto Di Cosmo about the EDOS and MANCOOSI projects.

http://www.edos-project.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome

http://www.mancoosi.org/

Cheers,

  S. Fermigier</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Roberto,</p>
<p>you should ask Roberto Di Cosmo about the EDOS and MANCOOSI projects.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.edos-project.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome" rel="nofollow">http://www.edos-project.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.mancoosi.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mancoosi.org/</a></p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>  S. Fermigier</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto Galoppini</title>
		<link>http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/07/15/lets-discover-more-about-open-source-eu-funded-initiatives/comment-page-1/#comment-660637</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberto Galoppini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jurgen, good to see you again.

My intention is definitely not to be against the EU. I rather want to put under the spot light projects that deserve attention, and I hope that many of them are worthy to look at. Nevertheless some of them could be promising on paper and pathetic in practice, but we aim to the  truth, only the (open source) truth!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jurgen, good to see you again.</p>
<p>My intention is definitely not to be against the EU. I rather want to put under the spot light projects that deserve attention, and I hope that many of them are worthy to look at. Nevertheless some of them could be promising on paper and pathetic in practice, but we aim to the  truth, only the (open source) truth!</p>
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		<title>By: Juergen Geck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juergen Geck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don't think we stand a chance to be comprehensive against the eu. just to entertain our worldwide audience (beware, slightly off topic), and to provide a measure of how broken this system is: http://tinyurl.com/nhut7v

maybe in an open source world of blogs we could catch up, but not for long ... :)

and then there is the issue why this preference would be an issue. if open source is prefered, at least people get what they payed for, no?

a year ago in berlin i sat in the audience of a government sponsored meeting with lots of talk about open source and plenty of people from universities in the audience. i asked them "shouldnt the stuff you produce be available to those who pay for it?" the answer was a definite "yes, of course, but ...". 

I for one like this imbalance towards open access to what i payed for!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t think we stand a chance to be comprehensive against the eu. just to entertain our worldwide audience (beware, slightly off topic), and to provide a measure of how broken this system is: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/nhut7v" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/nhut7v</a></p>
<p>maybe in an open source world of blogs we could catch up, but not for long &#8230; <img src='http://robertogaloppini.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
and then there is the issue why this preference would be an issue. if open source is prefered, at least people get what they payed for, no?</p>
<p>a year ago in berlin i sat in the audience of a government sponsored meeting with lots of talk about open source and plenty of people from universities in the audience. i asked them &#8220;shouldnt the stuff you produce be available to those who pay for it?&#8221; the answer was a definite &#8220;yes, of course, but &#8230;&#8221;. </p>
<p>I for one like this imbalance towards open access to what i payed for!</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto Galoppini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roberto Galoppini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Glyn, I think just contacting people involved and analyzing deliverables. 

Any other idea?

&lt;strong&gt;Update&lt;/strong&gt;: On second thought, maybe asking projects' owners to share projects' &lt;a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&amp;hs=qnw&amp;q=%22IST+Projects%22+%22description+of+work%22&amp;btnG=Search" rel="nofollow"&gt;Description of Work&lt;/a&gt; would be a first step in the right direction.  Correspondences between the “expected” and the “actual” deliverables should come as the next step.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Glyn, I think just contacting people involved and analyzing deliverables. </p>
<p>Any other idea?</p>
<p><strong>Update</strong>: On second thought, maybe asking projects&#8217; owners to share projects&#8217; <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;client=firefox-a&#038;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&#038;hs=qnw&#038;q=%22IST+Projects%22+%22description+of+work%22&#038;btnG=Search" rel="nofollow">Description of Work</a> would be a first step in the right direction.  Correspondences between the “expected” and the “actual” deliverables should come as the next step.</p>
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		<title>By: Glyn Moody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glyn Moody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How should we do that, Roberto?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How should we do that, Roberto?</p>
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