Comments on: About European Commission in-depth investigation into Oracle-Sun Merger http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/09/05/about-european-commission-in-depth-investigation-into-oracle-sun-merger/ “equally critical of proprietary and open source myths, advocating software choice beyond marketing and romanticism” Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:53:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Roberto Galoppini http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/09/05/about-european-commission-in-depth-investigation-into-oracle-sun-merger/comment-page-1/#comment-661572 Roberto Galoppini Sun, 18 Oct 2009 07:43:16 +0000 http://robertogaloppini.net/?p=1587#comment-661572 Hi Peter, I suspect that IT concentration has different roots. Europe missed to take advantage of the "packaged" software era in the early 90's, but few players (SAP). IT market worked and works by reselling US software plus selling system integration services. So said, I'm with you when you state that the commission anti-trust division seems to miss the real point, and as I wrote I'd like EU to put its (our) money where its money is. Hi Peter,

I suspect that IT concentration has different roots. Europe missed to take advantage of the “packaged” software era in the early 90’s, but few players (SAP). IT market worked and works by reselling US software plus selling system integration services.

So said, I’m with you when you state that the commission anti-trust division seems to miss the real point, and as I wrote I’d like EU to put its (our) money where its money is.

]]> By: Peter Parker http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/09/05/about-european-commission-in-depth-investigation-into-oracle-sun-merger/comment-page-1/#comment-661563 Peter Parker Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:46:18 +0000 http://robertogaloppini.net/?p=1587#comment-661563 Concentration in IT markets, especially in Europe, is basically induced by anticompetitive characteristics and legally questionable activities of three IT companies since long: IBM, Microsoft, HP. Non-approval of upper merger will not lead to further competition. The opposite will be the case. Moreover the Open Source market, actively promoted by Sun Microsystems, will suffer seriously. Now this anticompetitiveness is actively supported by the EU commission's antitrust division, headed by Mrs. Kroes. This fact is casting serious doubts in the work and competency of Mrs. Kroes' team world-wide. The commercial branch of MySQL has a market share of 0.4% officially and is thus far from being able to cause a concentration in the database market. Having said this, I notify that EU commission's decisions itself will have to be regarded as cause of concentration in case of disapproval of above merger. Concentration in IT markets, especially in Europe, is basically induced by anticompetitive characteristics and legally questionable activities of three IT companies since long: IBM, Microsoft, HP.
Non-approval of upper merger will not lead to further competition. The opposite will be the case. Moreover the Open Source market,
actively promoted by Sun Microsystems, will suffer seriously.
Now this anticompetitiveness is actively supported by the EU commission’s antitrust division, headed by Mrs. Kroes. This fact is casting serious doubts in the work and competency of Mrs. Kroes’ team world-wide.
The commercial branch of MySQL has a market share of 0.4% officially and is thus far from being able to cause a concentration in the database market.
Having said this, I notify that EU commission’s decisions itself will have to be regarded as cause of concentration in case of
disapproval of above merger.

]]> By: Roberto Galoppini http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/09/05/about-european-commission-in-depth-investigation-into-oracle-sun-merger/comment-page-1/#comment-661061 Roberto Galoppini Mon, 07 Sep 2009 10:54:55 +0000 http://robertogaloppini.net/?p=1587#comment-661061 Hi Josef, I was thinking of research calls, sorry. We can learn a lot from the past in this respect, see the <a href="http://codespeak.net/pypy/extradoc/talk/2004-21C3-pypy-EU-hpk.pdf" rel="nofollow">PyPy Story</a>! Hi Josef,

I was thinking of research calls, sorry. We can learn a lot from the past in this respect, see the PyPy Story!

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]]> By: Josef Assad http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/09/05/about-european-commission-in-depth-investigation-into-oracle-sun-merger/comment-page-1/#comment-661058 Josef Assad Mon, 07 Sep 2009 06:14:23 +0000 http://robertogaloppini.net/?p=1587#comment-661058 As I recall (happy to be corrected), naming specific products in EU tenders is in violation of tender law. To wit, a tender may reference a RDBMS as requirement but not SQL Server 2008. This is why for example the Hungarians <a href="http://www.osor.eu/news/hu-hearing-on-competition-office-complaint-over-microsoft-deal" rel="nofollow">got into hot water</a> over the Microsoft-heavy public tender a while back. It's probably a bit unrealistic in this day and age to think that a tender can be specific enough without referencing specific technologies and products but that's the law today and if we're going to advise against naming Microsoft in tenders then MySQL shouldn't be targeted with this form of financing either. As I recall (happy to be corrected), naming specific products in EU tenders is in violation of tender law. To wit, a tender may reference a RDBMS as requirement but not SQL Server 2008. This is why for example the Hungarians got into hot water over the Microsoft-heavy public tender a while back.

It’s probably a bit unrealistic in this day and age to think that a tender can be specific enough without referencing specific technologies and products but that’s the law today and if we’re going to advise against naming Microsoft in tenders then MySQL shouldn’t be targeted with this form of financing either.

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